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How many times per week do you eat fast food?
Never! I don't put that crap in my body!
22%
 22%  [ 4 ]
Once or twice per week
55%
 55%  [ 10 ]
Three or four times per week
22%
 22%  [ 4 ]
Daily or more
0%
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:28 am   Post subject: Reply with quote


Something different: I love people saying that they still gaining weight. Even when they don't eat much fast food. Helloooooo, exercise anyone? Sitting on your *ss behind a desk at work, couch at home, in the seat of your car wont help you loose weight.


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It is ENTIRELY due to the dressing. So buy a bottle of low fat whatever and stick in the botton drawer of your desk at work. (And Hurr, just so you know, I'm not necessarily addressing you for the remainder of this post. Smile)


Thanks Cocles! I appreciate the clarification. Smile

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If you want to help the world, stop making excuses for these these people and tell them to get off their butts and do something about their problems.


Um... that's exactly what I meant when I said:

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We probably just need to start educating people better about these things.


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Now we need to educate grown adults that eating fast food all the time isn't healthy for them?

Please. Not only do you guys need to stop making excuses for the lazy and stupid; you need to stop idiot proofing everything at the expense of those who don't need it.


What's wrong with providing information, Cocles? I realize that you know how to eat right and look after your physical fitness, but it certainly looks like a lot of people don't. That's part of the free nature of western societies... we all put information into the free information marketplace. You can listen to what you want and ignore what you want. But I can't see why you are so vehemently opposed to simply providing information about nutrition. Because people need the info if they are going to "get off their butts and do something about their problems," as you put it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:42 am   Post subject: Reply with quote


Nice Hurr, I like how you couldn't defend "educating" them, so you switched it to, "provide information".

So which is it? "Educate" or "provide information"?

There is a difference; one is active and the other passive.

If you mean provide information then perhaps you're unaware of the droves of information already available to these people. Not to mention that "Fast food being bad for you" is common knowledge to the point of being cliche.

If you mean educated, then the fact that these adults need to actually be taught in a classroom that fast food is bad for them means they have a lot bigger problems that need to be dealt with first.

Come on Hurr. You can do better than that.
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Let me clarify what I mean... I was suggesting that perhaps the continued, directed provision of information (eg through ad campaigns) on healthy eating is a good idea. I was not, in fact, suggesting that we do anything radically beyond what is already done by the government and various advocacy groups.

I don't agree that "education" necessarily involves hauling adults into classrooms, hence we are having a little semantic dispute on that issue. In this case, the mere presentation of information to the public qualifies as a form of education. That's my view, anyhow.

And please note that I have never advocated, nor will I ever advocate anything like mandatory education programs for adults in a classroom setting. I would see that as too darn close to authoritarianism for my taste.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:17 am   Post subject: Reply with quote


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...directed provision of information (eg through ad campaigns) on healthy eating is a good idea.


So our tax dollars go towards ads that tell people "Too much Fast Food is bad for you!"

Brilliant.
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Cocles wrote:
Hurr78 wrote:
...directed provision of information (eg through ad campaigns) on healthy eating is a good idea.


So our tax dollars go towards ads that tell people "Too much Fast Food is bad for you!"

Brilliant.


Laughing Now that's a small bit of a much larger political debate. But on the other hand, it's not like this responsibility has to fall entirely into the government's lap. Corporations sometimes do stuff like this to enhance their public image.
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"Here at McDonald's we love our customers, and we love that you buy our food... but don't eat too much of it or you'll get really fat."

Brilliant.

Or I suppose they could have this guy at the end of all their ads say, "Always Eat Responibly."

I like that second one even better. Wink
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rotfl... See Cocles, you've come up with some good ad ideas already.

I especially like the always eat responsibly one. Well heck, it works for the booze companies. Smile
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you two are getting in to what the tabacco companies have to do... they don't do it because they care they do it becuase the government makes them... All of those anti tabbaco ads are brought to you by the tabacco companies... No one should have to advertise against themselves, but it sort of works for the tabacco companies... They are not allowed to advertise smoking to kids, except if it is anti-smoking comercials. Which some times in my opinion are so lame that I can see kids wanting to smoke to not be like those lame comercials.... Smile

Evolution: THE WEAK AND STUPID MUST DIE OFF FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPECIES. And if that means people can't understand that too much greasy food is bad, or that breathing something that isn't oxygen will kill you then they need to die.
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Evolution: THE WEAK AND STUPID MUST DIE OFF FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPECIES. And if that means people can't understand that too much greasy food is bad, or that breathing something that isn't oxygen will kill you then they need to die.


Darwinism at its finest Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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leave it to leggy. good call M8:D
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Legolas wrote:
Evolution: THE WEAK AND STUPID MUST DIE OFF FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPECIES. And if that means people can't understand that too much greasy food is bad, or that breathing something that isn't oxygen will kill you then they need to die.


rotfl... Ah, nothing like a bit of Darwinian thought to spice things up.

The problem here, Lego, is that greasy food doesn't kill these people fast enough to prevent them from reproducing... instead, they manage to get it on enough times to produce fatty junior, who they then train from a young age to be just like them. Alas.
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Evolution doesn't happen overnight. Wink
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Pixie wrote:
Evolution doesn't happen overnight. Wink


True enough. I must remember to have patience. Smile

Speaking of natural selection, you guys should definitely check out the photo joke that Tron just posted in the joke thread...

http://www.streamingsoundtracks.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1731&start=45
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I agree that even if more grocery stores are built in poorer areas, it won't necessarily help by itself since people might choose to buy more varieties of junk food instead of healthy stuff. This is where education can help change people's attitudes and buying decisions so they eat healthier.

I don't think I'm making excuses for people since they will need to be personally motivated to eat better. I'm just pointing out that a combined approach, making healthy foods easily obtainable and providing nutritional education does more than education alone or doing nothing about addressing obesity.

Cal is right that physical activity is a big part of this as well. Creating pedestrian and bike friendly neighborhoods, building sidewalks in areas where there are none, and making other physical environmental changes can make it easier for people to get out and exercise. But people still have to get off their butts to do it.

I'm pretty sure whatever I say won't convince those who believe solely in the role of individual responsibility, but increasing access to health promoting goods, services, and environments give people more choices. It's up to people to decide what to do with those choices and opportunities.
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