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| cut or delete Fire Water Paper: A Vietnam Oratorio - Part I: Offertorium |
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| let it be 32 min |
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 payableondeath
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: Remove: 32 min track from Fire Water Paper: A Vietnam Orator |
 
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so we all have an tracks we dont like...
and we all have a tracks we think they to long for queue...
so today is an day i will start this topic because it is an long and boring track in queue and many of the listeners dont like him also...
(and the sh** is when the guy/girl is not there to listen his/her chosen 32 min track, like today...)
so i start with this 32 min track from Fire Water Paper: A Vietnam Oratorio - Part I: Offertorium
please take this track out....
who has the same position like me or is not for my position, or you have an other long/boring track you dont want to hear... please write your position in this topic...
but please not like this: "dont like spirit because its bryan adams..."
i dont like this also  but 4 min mute are better than leave SST for an half hour
cya P.O.D.
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WYSIWYG
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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ditto that
I adore goldenthals alien 3, final fantasy spirits and interview W A V scores but Fire Water Paper: A Vietnam Oratorio - Part I: Offertorium is a terribly long and tedious score 
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I would like to agree. However, there are long pieces I like that might also fall into this category. I would prefer to see such songs limited in their frequency of availablility than removed completely.
Being a listener of SST I have to expect that to be able to request songs I like, I have to and must be able to accept the tastes of others as well. In fact, I would prefer it that way. I have been introduced to some great music through this wonderful station.
However, I agree that it is completely inappropriate for someone to request a long bit and then not be here to listen to it. The Request Netique is not being paid attention to if there are no consequences.
(Before action or reaction should take place, my sister, Deejer, is a work listener to SST. She makes requests, but when she has to go to her company network, she is signed out of SST website. She listens the whole time on iTunes. Perhaps we are pre-judging the requester.)
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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POD has it in one here...
While I'd love to trash several Bryan Adams tracks, I think that enough people enjoy them for the 3-5 mins they're on for me to just mute and get on with it.
But 32 minutes... now that's taking the mick. While it might not be my favourite track, it's mostly the fact that it's 32 minutes, and since I have such a short attention span as it is--ooooo look, shiny shiny....
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Tue May 02, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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* Moved from Soundtracks to Playlist*
* Renamed topic with appropriate title*
I will see if this track can be split into several tracks. Please continue to discuss.
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Tue May 02, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I think that these longer selections need to be limited to play only when the que is below a certain time limit. Is this possible? There are lots of longer selections I dont like but again you hit the mute. But if it is a long time I am apt to put a cd in and then not switch back. *bows humblely to the sst gods. it is very rare hardly ever happens  *
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Tue May 02, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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This is hard. As with all the longer tracks if it's something that you love and it's there in the playlist then it should be played. But the sheer length of a selection like that could literally cause offence!
If it can be split somehow then I guess that would be better in terms of listening time - but doesn't that mean the track isn't heard the way it was meant? It's a bit like breaking up the Battle of Yavin sequence into three at the end of Star Wars - it would lose meaning and momentum, in my opinion.
I guess my gut reaction is I'd rather not hear the whole track - if I'm here for 45 minutes at lunch I'd rather hear 7 or 8 tracks than just 1.
Also, I kind of get the feeling POD wanted this thread to bring up other tracks that are "too long" for the playlist (correct me if I'm mistaken, POD). |
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lastdomino
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I don't remember which album it is, but there is a soundtrack that has only 2 songs. Both are long (23 - 32 min long). Unless they can be broken up into smaller bits, it would mean the loss of an entire soundtrack that someone might like.
There are valid points to elimination but also to trying to be respectful of others when making a selection.
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When I was first given this cd as a present I hated it, but then I realized it has many many virtues, it's heartfelt, with a virtuoso performance but admittedly difficult. Now I regard it as completely magnificent.
I still don't get why this cd is here, though, other than the fact that it's a Goldenthal, and the same goes for many other cds that aren't soundtracks, but it's not like Im complaining.
I do understand the fact that it doesnt work in a site that tries to enqueue many different styles of music, but now that its here, well the more the better. I find it a wonderful work, deserving of being listened to. it IS a demanding work, and of course not meant to work in an easy-listening jukebox. So what if its 30 min. long? I dont think breaking it into pieces is a solution either, in my eyes thats just disrespectful to a composer. Cant you just listen to the piece and appreciate how many wonderful moments it has?
im not even going to discuss the "its long & boring" thing, thats just puerile and dumb.
I say, keep it and try to find its virtues; if you dont like it, then hit the mute button and let the rest of us enjoy this wonderful, complex work. |
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Furyen
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 Wow, I'm gone for two weeks and my favorite work of Goldenthal is being cut from the playlist. Well done people!!! Well done indeed. It is true, that this is not a soundtrack, rather only Goldenthal's finest work presented here. Yes I can see that it could become a bit...tedious. But we do not need to go back to our muddle-headed ways of removing tracks from the playlist.
It can be broken down. The first track of Offertorium Part one will play though the first Eleven minutes and twenty-nine seconds 11:29. The second track, which starts Yo-Yo Ma's Cello solo will last the next Four minutes and Twenty-Five seconds 4:25. And the third track shall last the rest of Part one, which should be around Seventeen minutes (third track starting at exactly Sixteen minutes into Part one.) You may want to check the math, I did it all from...thought. Anyways, there are focal splits where these listed times end. Well, there it is.
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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I also vote: let's keep it!
However, I understand POD (and other morning listeners) point of view. It's a pity that such tracks can be played with only provocation in mind!
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Tue May 02, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't able to actually hear this particular piece, but the length of it does seem to be a bit much. I would hate to see someone who doesn't observe the Request Netiquette put a 32 minute song into a 3 hour queue. JERIC, if you can section it up that would be awesome! 
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| I don't remember which album it is, but there is a soundtrack that has only 2 songs. Both are long (23 - 32 min long). |
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Tue May 02, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe this is an stupid idea but if there would be some form to annul requests if the one that has requested leaves, this would not solve the problem of the long tracks, but it would avoid the bad intentions at least.
For example, if I request a song and I leave, my request automatically would be eliminated.At least, when somebody requests long tracks or "little popular", that is because wants to listen to it.
I dunno if it´s tecnically possible or not, it´s only an idea (and probably not very well expressed, but... )
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Also, I kind of get the feeling POD wanted this thread to bring up other tracks that are "too long" for the playlist (correct me if I'm mistaken, POD). |
yes right mellow (discuss we like it? maybe cut it?) and that this goldenthal track, cut in several tracks or cleared from the playlist...
but jeric renamed the topic with appropriate title.... 
but nice to see that this go with cut we should make this with "alabama - crimson tide"  |
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