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Luther_III
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Location: New Orleans
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Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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j2brown wrote: |
It also wouldn't be that difficult to do books in a similar manner.
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I heard an NPR story about a company that has started doing this with books. I don't remember the name, or I'd provide a link.
For myself, I'm really of two minds on this. At first, I liked the idea of buying individual tracks on demand. "Power to the people!" and that sort of thing. I started buying some things on iTunes, and then I found myself wishing I had the CD. For example, E.S. Posthumus' Unearthed.
I think for now, I'll be sticking with CD purchases unless they're unavailable.
Still, I imagine physical media eventually going the way of vinyl: Fun for collectors to fuss about, but not of much consequence to the mainstream.
_________________ "If I were not a physicist, I would probably be a musician. I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.... I get most joy in life out of music."
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DemonStar
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Personally nothing beats a physical, lossless, factory pressed CD for me. I guess digital downloads are the wave of the future but unless they offer the downloads in lossless format, I am NOT buying any lossy material. Thankfully we have labels who care about the film score community like Varese, La-La Land and Intrada, so I hope CDs for film scores will keep coming for at least a significant amount of time in the future. _________________ http://www.petitiononline.com/LIONKING/petition.html |
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diginferno
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Joined: Apr 15, 2006
Member#: 14160
Posts: 25
Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Luther_III wrote: |
Still, I imagine physical media eventually going the way of vinyl: Fun for collectors to fuss about, but not of much consequence to the mainstream.
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I second that. I don't think that physical media will disappear completely, but there are signs that streaming tends to replace the other channels. Several days ago I found an interesting discussion on Slashdot. I think this shows the interest of the people for the new distribution channels.
As far as I am concerned, streaming is a very good solution. Thanks to webcasters, I discovered a lot of beautiful music and great artists. Also, I would rather pay a subscription to gain access to it instead of struggling to cram a big pile of disks in the 28 square meters of what I call "home". I would soon come to be saying "this death metal chair is too hard on my back, I will start using pagan metal instead".
As for digital downloads, quality is a factor, indeed. But my sound equipment isn't state-of-the-art and I'm too impatient to wait for snail mail delivery. I'm also not willing to risk the package being lost or damaged in the mail. Hence, I think that the digital downloads are a good solution for me. Please note that I'm only talking about official distribution channels.
Now don't get me wrong, please, I still buy CDs and DVDs, just not as many as I would buy if webcasters (and especially 24seven.FM) would not exist. I still have that collector's mindset, I like to hold the physical disk in my hands and read the booklet. _________________ diginferno
.::If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions::. |
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weaponlordzero
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Location: Louisville, KY USA
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree. It HAS to be the same quality of a CD or better. It HAS to be to replace the cd media. _________________ I do not wake up with thoughts of control and rebellion, but thoughts of purpose and righteousness and the empowerment to fulfill those convictions that define me. |
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AdamR
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. It HAS to be the same quality of a CD or better. It HAS to be to replace the cd media. |
People have been waiting for lossless downloads for a long while, and that's the only thing that will do for serious collectors. Imagine if amazon was all lossless...how many servers would they need? :p I could probably ask Jeric the same question what it takes to house SST digitally. :p That's gotta be nuts too, and that's partially why lossless downloads aren't there....yet. |
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molossus
Admiral (Administrator)
Joined: Aug 09, 2005
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Posts: 3308
Location: Warsaw & once in a blue moon Szczecin (Poland)
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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AdamR wrote: |
I could probably ask Jeric the same question what it takes to house SST digitally. :p |
BTW: Have you been to SST's Gallery, AdamR? _________________ <i>"The piano keys are black and white,
But they sound like a million colors in your mind"</i>
(from "Spider's Web" by <a href="http://katiemelua.com/music/#KatieMelua">Katie Melua</a>)
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NanM
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Location: Portugal
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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I can't imagine 15 year old kids from myspace generation of today, left their iPod's and start buying vinyl records. And to the soundtrack market would be a regression, to a format that itself can't include the same amount of music that a CD can, and most of the time movie/TV soundtracks as well as classical music, require much more than the usual 2-sides of 25 minutes from an LP.
And I disagree that streaming would be solution too, because an album has a concept behind it. The music is there to tell a story and requires you to be an active listener, while you play the album from the first to the last note. Something that's not possible by streaming radios, where (the DJ webcaster, the server or signed members), randomly plays the music of track 7 from album X, and next plays the track 2 of album Y. The coherence of the music is lost in that way.
Having say that, streaming webcast services are very useful, if you want to find new musicians, discover new music, and don't know what to play from your collection, or simply preview and explore more of a particular album, before you purchase... the Compact Disc. |
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LadyInque
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Location: Eastern Massachusetts
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to break it to you, NanM, but the album itself may also be dying out. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. Not every album really has a concept, of course. Plenty of score album present tracks out of sequence. Better listening, mayhap, but not necessarily a story.
And there are some albums that don't merit a complete listen. I recall reading a review for the score album of Casino Royale, where the author argued that there was too much music on the commercial release, including bits that just weren't very interesting. I took his advice and created an abbreviated playlist to try out. Danged if he wasn't right.
And who's to say that you can't stream albums? I listen to albums all the time through Napster. I think any subscription service worth its salt would allow streaming an album as an option. _________________ I have a book coming out. Wanna see it?
http://www.jessicalevai.com/sternendach-a-vampire-opera-in-verse/ |
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AdamR
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Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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molossus wrote: |
AdamR wrote: |
I could probably ask Jeric the same question what it takes to house SST digitally. :p |
BTW: Have you been to SST's Gallery, AdamR? |
Octo-server. I didn't know that was there, and that basically answered the question. It ain't easy.
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And who's to say that you can't stream albums? I listen to albums all the time through Napster. I think any subscription service worth its salt would allow streaming an album as an option. |
That's good and well as long as your isp doesn't put caps on bandwith. I'm pretty sure mine has no cap because I've never been warned about hitting one since listening to SST regularly and using 100+ mb per day. |
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NanM
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Location: Portugal
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I think that a question between a complete & chronological album Vs. listening experience, it's not related to the facts about the future of CD's and the expansion of digital downloads.
Soundtracks are being sold since the LP days, and when the CD came, it opened new possibilites of how the music on album could be presented, and that album is the same, as available On CD or for purchase by digital download, unless digital stores sells extra tracks, like happened on Casino Royale. So when a person buy a CD or chooses for digital files, it doesn't matter for him, the way the album is presented, because he can do whatever he wants with the music for his own experience, like re-order the playlist, play the album as it's presented, choose only specific tracks, or made his own edits and what not else. That's much possible by CD's as is with digital files.
And talking about Casino Royale, is one example of an overlong produced album, that for no aparent reason they left off the movie song, which for a specific type of album that a Bond score is, it's major mistake.
Some albums deserve to be expanded and other don't, as they are perfectly fine with the way they are presented now, and dare I say, there are some albums who don't even have the merits for his music to be released at all, but that's just another story and for more appropriated topics.
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And who's to say that you can't stream albums? I listen to albums all the time through Napster. I think any subscription service worth its salt would allow streaming an album as an option. |
Which lead me to repeat one of my previous posts.
Does the music format made available on services like Napster, has the same audio quality compared to a CD?
Is the service accessible worldwide or it's restricted only to parts of the world?
Do I need to donwload extra software to access and buy the music from their services?
Is certain music and artists restricted and only available to one download service, and need to subscrive more services to access distinct music libraries?
Is it DRM-free, and need to pay additional amount of money if I want to burn inferior lossy files to CD-R, or renew my subscrition when needed?
I don't need to go through all these steps, when I can easily buy a CD with: a)Always with the best audio quality guaranteed; b)Album artwork with contents (Booklet with liner notes, track-by-track description, production photos, etc.); c)The possibility of ripping directly from the original CD source, 1:1 lossless copies for backup purposes; and d)It's a Compact Disc album and is inherent a patrimonial and cultural value by itself, which compared to digital download albums, where they are conjuction of mere computer files. |
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Johnny_Cage
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Joined: Apr 27, 2005
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Posts: 589
Location: Michigan, USA
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I hate computers in general. (No need to point out the irony here. I already know.) They are so undependable and it scares me that we may someday live in a world where we have to rely on our computer for everything. That's too much faith for me, so I prefer to support retail. I almost never purchase anything online because I don't want to support the ever-growing trend of online media distribution. The more we do that, the sooner our retailers' days are numbered.
There have been several scores that I had searched for in retail stores only to find out that they could only be downloaded through Amazon or ITunes. (Sunshine, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and National Treasure 2, just to name a few.) I might bite the bullet for that Sunshine score but this recent trend of online downloads have been very frustrating for an old-school consumer like me. (As of this post, I'm 23 years of age. Almost all of my peers love their Ipods and their Netflix accounts and I couldn't care less.) _________________ "You have been chosen to represent Earth in Mortal Kombat. Be warned. Although your souls are protected from Shao Kahn's evil: your lives are not. I cannot interfere any longer as your Earth is now ruled by the Outworld gods." |
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LadyInque
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Location: Eastern Massachusetts
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I just read some rumors that Warner Bros is going to release more Batman: The Animated Series music, but only as a download. I'm disappointed, and hope it doesn't turn out to be true. As a collector, I'm really looking forward to things like liner notes, and well, the CD itself. And I gotta figure most of the audience for that would be my age or older. Don't we old people like CDs more? Y'know, old like Johnny_Cage? _________________ I have a book coming out. Wanna see it?
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AK-Mal_Owner
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Joined: Jan 07, 2004
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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While I generaly like having the CD, storage is really becoming a problem for me, so I'm starting to look more and more at digi downloads. In most cases, I rip the CD to my server, then the CD goes into storage, never to be seen again for years.
I don't mind albums being available digital download only. What I mind is when I find out that it's exclusive to iTunes. I recently heard that the Flaming Lips did a cover of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" album - and I liked what I heard. As I was on my way to Amazon.com, I found out that it is only on iTunes... well, so much for that.
I've never been a fan of iTunes, and after seeing the issues my wife has had with it and her iPod (which is *supposed* to work with iTunes) I'm glad I stick to my guns at not allowing it on any computer I use.
But maybe it's me.
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AK-Mal_Owner
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After nearly spending $30 on TWO CDs... I think I've changed my mind about digital downloads... although I still won't buy from iTunes, that same $30 at Amazon got me way more than just two CDs... and I get them now! Good for the impatient part of me. Plus, in a couple cases, I was able to pick and choose a couple songs from an album w/o buying the whole thing and wasting my time/money/resources.
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AdamR
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Depending on what you're trying to buy, Amazon has actually quite a lot of good used deals if you're willing to go that route. Last night I just bought three cds for $7.00 each with shipping. I would never pay full retail, I agree....just buy the tracks you want in those cases if there's no other way to get them. |
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