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Caliburn
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Wed May 21, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: |
 
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| Cocles wrote: |
| It took you an HOUR to come up with that!? |
Of course not, took me 2 seconds. The problem is that I have other stuff to do like ... erm.... work.
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| Oh and by the way... The spelling is fixed in the most recent version of the faq at the beginning of this thread. |
That is not the point, it was there and I helped you fix it. 
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But then again, we've already established that you have trouble locating the latest versions, haven't we?  |
Like I said before, it is not my fault that the biggest winamp resource site is not up to date. I like to blame others 
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Why do I suddenly have a sense of Deja Vu, and why am I not surprised that Cocles is involved?  |
No worries I can handle him, he will get bored soon enough, don't you mate?  |
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Yvond
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Wed May 21, 2003 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it sounds like 128k... eh. I don't know. Could be psychological. I thought it sounded better without the codec for some reason. It just sounds.. weird with the codec to me. I don't know how to describe it. |
Actually, I believe gecko has a point. After doing a bit of poking around on SlashDot,
"MP3Pro, by the way, ... compensates for high-frequency loss by introducing harmonic distortion and high-frequency noise. So, low-bitrate stuff sounds just as "bright" as it did before encoding. This "brightness" is entirely artificial, and entirely inaccurate with respect to the original recording."
I don't have time to verify the veracity of this, but it would appear that the format is not a true representation of the 128k stream when encoded at lower bit rates. Makes sense from an engineering perspective---you never get anything for free, and throwing away high frequency information in this manner typically has the effect of that which was just mentioned---harmonic distortion, and the generation of high frequency noise later on when you try to reintroduce the high frequency content of the music. I believe gecko may actually have quite the attuned ear and may be hearing this. Can't say for sure, though, since I don't have support for the mp3PRO pluggin. |
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 Cocles
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Joined: Mar 06, 2002
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Wed May 21, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Caliburn wrote: |
| No worries I can handle him, he will get bored soon enough, don't you mate? |
Bored? More likely, go to sleep. Damn euro's keeping me up half the night. |
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JERIC 
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Joined: Feb 12, 2002
Member#: 1
Posts: 4939
Location: Richmond, VA
 
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Wed May 21, 2003 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: mp3PRO |
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| Yvond wrote: |
| Also, do you know if there is a freeware version of the software? |
a.. JetAudio
Company: JetAudio, Inc.
Features: integrated multimedia player with mp3PRO encoding and decoding.
Plays audio, video, CD, MIDI, etc.
More information at JetAudio
b.. AUDION 3
Company: Panic
Features: encoding, editing, broadcasting and mixing for Mac OS.
More information at Panic
a.. COOL EDIT PRO 2
Company: SYNTRILLIUM
Features: recording, editing and mixing up to 128 high-quality stereo
tracks with just about any sound card.
More information at SYNTRILLIUM
b.. MUSICMATCH Jukebox
Company: MUSICMATCH
Features: MUSICMATCH Jukebox 7.2 and higher supports mp3PRO encoding.
More information at MUSICMATCH
c.. MUSICMATCH Radio MX
Company: MUSICMATCH
Features: integrated mp3PRO for streaming and decoding of the MUSICMATCH
Radio MX service.
More information at MUSICMATCH
d.. MAGIX mp3 maker platinum
Company: MAGIX AG
Features: all in one mp3 and CD Burning software supporting mp3PRO.
More information at Magix
e.. My mp3PRO 3.0
Company: Steinberg Media Technologies AG
Features: all in one mp3 and CD Burning software supporting mp3PRO.
More information at Steinberg
f.. Nero v5.5
Company: Ahead Software AG
Features: CD/DVD Recording application supporting all options of the
mp3PRO-Codec. The free Demoversion allows to encode 30 samples.
Download demoversion at Ahead.
g.. Winamp Plugin
Company: RCA/Thomson, Coding Technologies
Version: 1.1 (for Winamp 2.x)
Features: Free plugin for Nullsoft's Winamp. Play's back all mp3 and
mp3PRO files.
Download at Thomson, RCA or Coding Technologies
Download French version at www.winampfr.com
h.. Thomson Demo mp3PRO Player/Encoder
Company: RCA/Thomson, Coding Technologies
Version: 1.1.0
Features: Free demo player supporting all bit rates; encoder restricted to
64 kbps mp3PRO bit streams. For Windows 9x, NT, ME, 2000 and XP.
Download at Thomson, RCA or Coding Technologies
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insshc
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Wed May 21, 2003 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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oh wow it sounds great |
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crimsonblake
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Location: Hattiesburg, MS
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First impression: Mp3pro + 32k = much better sound, MP3pro+ 96k = ehhh weird sound. I'm not digging the mp3 pro sound with the 96k. I'm a musician and a home theatre nut, i have a pretty keen ear and i can easily tell the difference. I just don't like it one bit. But to each his own, i'm still waiting on the ogg strem. |
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Pilou
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Location: Belgium
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Sat May 24, 2003 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Frankly spoken, I don't like the mp3Pro technology very much. And it appears that I'm not the only one (I know lots of people who don't appreciate mp3Pro that much).
And I'm inclined to believe slahdot: "This "brightness" is entirely artificial, and entirely inaccurate with respect to the original recording."
I don't think Mp3Pro brings any quality to an mp3.
And besides all mp3Pro is NOT open source.
So why don't you use the OGG format. Which have a much better sound quality for equivalent compression. And this format is Open Source and Free. |
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Cocles
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Sat May 24, 2003 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Frankly, indeed. |
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Caliburn
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Sat May 24, 2003 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly, indeed. |
Hey C, maybe it is about time you mention in the FAQ that the mp3pro codec needs less bandwith, and that more people can listen to the the nice soundtracks with the same bandwith.
'nuff said |
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Cocles
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Sat May 24, 2003 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you get the same benefits with Ogg, but what I think a lot of people don't realize is IceCastv2 isn't the most stable streaming technology on the block. Especially when you couple it with something like SAM2.
But yeah, I should add something to the FAQ. |
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Dartagnan
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Location: France
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Sat May 24, 2003 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a plugin for winamp 3??? 
Because if I gat the point: It means that I'll have to use the mp3pro player?
Can't I just install the codec? |
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Cocles
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Sun May 25, 2003 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Is there a plugin for winamp 3???
Because if I gat the point: It means that I'll have to use the mp3pro player?
Can't I just install the codec? |
You should read my FAQ over in the FAQ section (left hand column).
No you won't have to use the MP3Pro player, you'll just have to use Winamp2, which you should have been using from the start.
Winamp3 is a piece of junk, and I'm surprised by how many people have downloaded it. Most do so for one of three reasons.
1. Dude, it's got like, cool skins... and stuff.
2. I dunno, it was the newest version of Winamp.
3. I'm a moron.
Winamp3 does not support MP3Pro and there is no plugin. There IS however a plugin that works great for Winamp2.
Here's where you say, "So, why don't you just broadcast in Ogg you arrogant shrinky-dink?"
Sure, no prob. We'll broadcast in Ogg. Except Winamp3 also doesn't support Ogg. Yay!
Winamp2 however supports Ogg without any additional plugins.
Winamp2 also uses a fraction of your system's resources compared to Winamp3.
So get rid of that version 3 piece of junk, download Winamp version 2.91 and join us all in the SST Happy Dance. (Sensei will demonstrate for all of us.) |
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Dartagnan
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Location: France
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Sun May 25, 2003 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Ok... Actualy... The reason why I use winamp 3 is certainly the skins. I never liked the winamp 2 skins so "squared".
But... If i can have a better quality on SST with winamp... Why not
(You gat me with "Why don't you just broadcast in Ogg" )
I'll go check the FAQ |
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Dartagnan
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Sun May 25, 2003 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Did I miss something... I've just uninstall my winamp3 and reinstall the 2.91, and when I come back... We are now in 128k!
You're trying to lost me aren't you? 
So... I guess the 128k isn't a mp3pro, so it's a Ogg. Ok? I'm right? |
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Pilou
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Joined: Feb 22, 2003
Member#: 365
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Location: Belgium
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Mon May 26, 2003 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| So... I guess the 128k isn't a mp3pro, so it's a Ogg. Ok? I'm right? |
No, no it's still mp3...
I guess OGG will come much later (everything has to be changed lol). And in OGG you can set a lower bitrate for equivalent quality. So it won't probably be 128Kbps... |
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