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crazyray
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:38 am Post subject: Not Happy with the general mood of tracks |
 
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Hi folks,
im here for a few years now and i was always very happy withe the music playing. But since one and a half year or so (not realy sure), im really disappointed with the general track selection.
Im not realy sure how to phrase or explain it, but the general mood of tracks changed significantly.
Now its mostly strange music playing or tracks with a distorting, nerving mood or shrill tracks. And i usually end up so annoyed after 3 consecutive tracks bashing my ears or my mood that i just turn of sst.
In the past theese kind of tracks played as well and then they were welcome. Because they were rarely played but from you were still able to listen to them.
In the past the mood of tracks was mostly positiv or neutral or melancholic. Nowadays its generally negativ, distorting, shrill.
Maybe im the only only one with that impression, but i had at least to express it, because i feel like i lost my main source of music, which helped me through the day.
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 607
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Hm, I'm sorry to hear this! Has this been the case only when music was requested by System/Admin, only when it was requested by fellow members, or both? |
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crazyray
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Dunno, im from germany and i simply start listening with Winamp. So i have no clue who requested or who is responsible for whats currently playing. |
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 molossus 
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for your opinion crazyray.
I guess what you see might be a result of shrinking number of active SST members who request music. We get more random requests by SAM (the machine behind the queue) instead.
I’ll ask Admins if we can tweak SAM a bit to make it pick a bit better choice of music for us.
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607
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| molossus wrote: |
Thank you for your opinion crazyray.
I guess what you see might be a result of shrinking number of active SST members who request music. We get more random requests by SAM (the machine behind the queue) instead.
I’ll ask Admins if we can tweak SAM a bit to make it pick a bit better choice of music for us. |
I'm not sure how this could be done, to be honest, besides picking more specifically from people's favourites list, which I don't really appreciate, because I like to be able to request those myself.  |
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 Locutus76
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Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks crazyray. I think it's always good to express your feelings.
On this matter however I can only say that people's moods and tastes change over the years, as do soundtracks and scores in general. New additions to the database inherently alter the general mood of the music.
The queue mostly consists of requests by active (paying) SST members, so that's not something than can, nor should, be changed. Everybody's a winner, as I believe one of the older SST ads so nicely states. You can pick anything from A-Team to Zathora (another ad)
As for SAM's picks, I believe there is a rather clever system of balancing picks in place already. If there even is some tweaking possible, I'm not sure we should do that, since all music here deserves to be played (F13 discussion aside).
To be honest: stating that 'now it's mostly strange music playing or tracks with a distorting, nerving mood or shrill tracks' feels like a pretty big exaggeration to me. The majority of the music is still quite mainstream stuff (although that might be an exaggeration on my behalf) 
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607
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Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Locutus76 wrote: |
The queue mostly consists of requests by active (paying) SST members |
Is it possible that this is not the case when crazyray listens? When do you listen, crazyray?
I have sometimes experienced SAM only queues on weekends, although often Pez or martino will be active during the times I listen. |
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Locutus76
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Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible that this is not the case when crazyray listens? When do you listen, crazyray?
I have sometimes experienced SAM only queues on weekends, although often Pez or martino will be active during the times I listen. |
Maybe. But if it's SAM playing, it's still a very balanced system of picking tracks, based on multiple factors. There is an argument to be made to have SAM pick more popular tracks based on the number of times a track is requested, say a minimum of 20 times or so. That might keep out the stuff that SST users like.... less. Could be worth considering.[/quote]
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 Dragonel
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Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:58 am Post subject: |
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There are also a couple of cases where one or two albums get picked a lot for a few days or weeks.
First, if a new album particularly a recent upload catches peoples attention, it will be played consistently until they've all had their fill. Even where it is nearly a year since the last update, there is still a lot of requests for certain albums as new people discover we now have it.
Second, the RAT hunts. An album that has not been RATed yet may be played fairly consistently throughout the day to get people to listen to enough of it to feel comfortable rating the album. For some people, this is a fun game but can mean certain albums are played a lot over several days
And if either of these are albums that "stick out" (for example, the War of the Worlds album definitely does) it can feel like that is constantly being played so affecting the overall "feel" of the station.
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607
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Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| Locutus76 wrote: |
Maybe. But if it's SAM playing, it's still a very balanced system of picking tracks, based on multiple factors. There is an argument to be made to have SAM pick more popular tracks based on the number of times a track is requested, say a minimum of 20 times or so. That might keep out the stuff that SST users like.... less. Could be worth considering. |
That sounds like a good idea, but it would have the downside of more often 'stealing' people's favourites. It happened to me once that I was about to request one of my favourites, but SAM beat me to it. Kind of annoying, especially if it's in your top 10 most played. Of course it's also annoying if SAM requests your favourites while you're not listening.
But the downside might be worth it. I think 10 might be enough, though. |
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Locutus76
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Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| 607 wrote: |
That sounds like a good idea, but it would have the downside of more often 'stealing' people's favourites. It happened to me once that I was about to request one of my favourites, but SAM beat me to it. Kind of annoying, especially if it's in your top 10 most played. Of course it's also annoying if SAM requests your favourites while you're not listening.
But the downside might be worth it. I think 10 might be enough, though. |
With dozens of users with fav lists and almost 150,000 tracks to choose from, it's not very likely SAM would pick all your favourites.
Also, your favs might also be someone else's favs and therefore get request anyway. I have that with several of my favourite Star Trek tracks. They're almost never available. That's the very thought behind SST "Share with other listeners" etc
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607
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I don't get what's going on, I just listened to SAM for an hour and it was pretty varied and certainly did not consist mostly of distressing tracks. :/ Which is great, of course. xD |
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happywheelssaz
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Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Removed a spam link - molossus |
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stark78q
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Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:49 am Post subject: |
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It happened to me once that I was about to request one of my favourites, but SAM beat me to it. Kind of annoying, especially if it's in your top 10 most played. Razz Of course it's also annoying if SAM requests your favourites while you're not listening.
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Kavin
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Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| stark78q wrote: |
It happened to me once that I was about to request one of my favourites, but SAM beat me to it. Kind of annoying, especially if it's in your top 10 most played. Razz Of course it's also annoying if SAM requests your favourites while you're not listening.
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It's always difficult when SAM requests one of your favorite music before you have a chance to play it. I can understand the distress, especially if it's one of your most played. And are you missing out on your favorites because you aren't listening? That is the worst! SAM has a tendency to move too quickly at times. |
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