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 Cyberbrain
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Improvement Request: No repeats based on album rating. |
 
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With the recent controversy over the no repeats being set up to 4/15 and now at 4/10... and the recent addition of Pesadelo caused me to brainstorm some ideas.
Its easy to complain when your unhappy about something, but it takes something else to come up with a possible solution.
This may be something Pesadelo or someone can implement.
My idea is to scale the no repeat wait time based on an albums rating. This would encourage people to rate albums and also give people the ability to influence how often a track/album is requestable.
Here's an example scale.
Current repeat schedual 4/10.
0 Stars = default wait time.
1 Stars = +3 days wait time
2 Stars = +2 days wait time
3 Stars = -1 day wait time
4 Stars = -2 days wait time
5 Stars = -3 days wait time
So that would make a 5 Star Album repeatable every 7 days.
Or a 1 star repeatable every 13 days.
This scale should be set not effect "new" albums, as it could make songs requestable every day if gets rated 5 stars in its new period.
Or you could even make a 100% non penalizing scale like this one so that low rated albums are not effected. Incase anyone would be upset that low rated albums have extra wait time.
0 Stars = default wait time.
1 Stars = default wait time.
2 Stars = default wait time.
3 Stars = -1 day wait time
4 Stars = -2 days wait time
5 Stars = -3 days wait time
In any event, the scale can be whatever the moderaters feel is best.
Tell me, what do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Possible? Impossible?
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 alien_avatar
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a nice idea, but I have absolutely no clue as to how complicated that would be to implement.
To me it sounds complicated, but then, anything involving numbers defeats me. 
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Luther_III
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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This idea didn't get much support the last time it was raised.
I don't know if people will feel any different about it now or not.
I'm still not so sure...
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Cyberbrain
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Ah nice, didnt see that you made the suggestion before. Good to know im not the only one who thought of it and likes the idea. |
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weaponlordzero
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Well, do you think that implementing this would be a large enough improvement on the listening experience to justify the effort to put it in action?
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Cyberbrain
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Yes, as long as its not too much work or effects the stability of SST. |
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JERIC 
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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It's a neat idea. I am concerned about vote stuffing though. That's when people vote 1 or 5 in attempt to bring the album rating higher or lower instead of actually giving it an honest rating. Your proposed feature could not be implemented without some kind of protection from this first. It is more apparent on DFM and I would imagine it would be even worse if voters had the opportunity impact an albums' ability to be played.
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Cyberbrain
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yea Jeric, thats one concern I had but didn't want to mention.
Could instead of baseing it on Album rating, maybe make a 2nd rating system but then it starts to get overly complicated *sigh* |
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 mellowman
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately the problem with rating is always that, as the saying goes: "one person's trash is another person's treasure." And I know it is then up to people to get up and vote but why should any track be effectively penalised because the majority of people don't like it? It's a good idea but I don't know if it would also be controversial in itself. |
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 masked_platypus
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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The question is : does the actual rating system efficient? I mean, there's some people who rates only with a one track listening, some others who like the movie and give a high note because of that (typically the case of Requiem for a dream, in which it's difficult to appreciate the score unless you have seen the movie), some others who like the composer too much to give it a bad note, even if the score is... well (And I must admit I have this kind of thoughts for any Morricone score), and so on and so on.
So, I don't think this system of decreasing the waiting time by the note will change the rating's comportment.
For me, it's a good idea. Do you consider adding a Poll to this forum, Cyberbrain?
Other question is : isn't it too hard to program?
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I think that masked_platypus has some valid points there. Ratings can be based on many different factors, so I do not think it would work. Also, we should remember that the albums are rated, not individual tracks, but we request tracks. An album may have a low rate but still have tracks that at least some listeners consider above average (and vice versa, of course).
Personally I do not like this idea much. It would lead to less variability in the stream especially during the peak hours, because it would make it easier to request the most popular albums. SST could become a soundtrack Top 40 station. Some people might like it, but not me. I like SST because I can explore a lots of different kinds of ST music. Get to know also less often played composers from all over the world and find hidden gems in music from lesser known and/or older films. |
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 Dragon-fly
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I also don't think it's the best idea...
I think that ratings are too 'unstable' (I wanted to write 'unfair', but it would be too big word for it) to base the whole requesting system on ratings only...
Maybe my taste (at least as it goes about music) is different than most of the SSTers but many of my favourite albums are rated in my opinion too low (no I don't like Buffy  ) and I think that many game soundtracks are underrated because they don't sound as 'orchestral' as most of the members would like them to sound...
Besides, I have to admit that I like the current '4/10 days no repeat' system.
Thank you for your attention |
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Cyberbrain
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Well we could always come up with a secondary rating system for this purpose, but again probably too much work and effort for its limited value. |
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Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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It runs the same risk as using the regular ratings... it's prone to abuse and vindictions. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't think it's broke.
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Nate
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Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a fan of this either. I know that at first it seems like the restrictions are huge, but I think if you branch out to request some other stuff you will expand 'your favorites' and give yourself more of a selection to work with when requesting.
Like most changes that have occurred on this site it takes time to adjust. This isn't even close to the issues caused when the same composer couldn't be in the queue or more than one track from the same score. People went nuts when that happened but after a while everyone became accustomed to it and now it is pretty much a non issue. I believe the same will happen with this issue, people won't like it but then they will warm to it and eventually this too will become a non issue. |
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